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ngingetin gw ama album masterpiecenya AYREON yg judulnya The Human Equation taun 2004
Wah, jadi penasaran. Apakah album itu dijual di Indonesia?
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aku kira dark knightny si Batman... yg benr yg mana??
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Wah, jadi penasaran. Apakah album itu dijual di Indonesia?
coba cari di Duta Suara Sabang, ato di Music+ Sarinah
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ya emang benar, bruce wayne a.k.a. batman/dark

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aku kira dark knightny si Batman... yg benr yg mana??
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Yg dibold biru itu bisa ditunjang bukti gak? Kok elo bisa seyakinnya kasih konklusi tsb?
Liat sendiri ya kejadiannya?

Nih dr People's magazine website people.com:

Source: Feds Officially Close Heath Ledger Investigation
Originally posted 08/06/2008 06:55PM

"The U.S. Attorney's Office closed its investigation into Heath Ledger's accidental overdose death and will not enforce a subpoena against Mary-Kate Olsen, a law-enforcement source tells PEOPLE.
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Ledger, 28, was found dead in his Soho apartment on Jan. 22, and the coroner determined the actor died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs for pain, anxiety and sleep."


I would do my homework first if I were you to avoid misleading.
Kalo statement tsb adalah konklusi lo pribadi sebaiknya dikasih foot note drpd ntar diinterogasi ama the Feds krn elo dianggap tau sesuatu yg mereka ga tau
Yah, ga perlu sampe dikasih footnote lah, emangnya FBI bisa ngapain sih? Aneh aneh aja ente....

toh di People Magazine yang lu kutip, "menyimpulkan" (dari FBI) dengan kata kata yang juga sebenarnya tidak konklusif karena sulit dibuktikan:

"accidental overdose of prescription drugs for pain, anxiety, and sleep."

accidental, emangnya bisa buktiin itu accidental? kayaknya CSI pun belum secanggih itu untuk bisa buktiin motive nya itu accidental atau premeditated (read:suicide).

pain, anxiety and sleep [disorder].... berarti Heath Ledger mengalami depresi sampai butuh obat-obatan (painkiller banyak di'pakai' orang depressed).


....sama seperti kematian Lady Di pun secara "resmi" dinyatakan kecelakaan murni dan sudah ditutup kasusnya.

.... just because you quoted the People Magazine, Kupluk...
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accidental, emangnya bisa buktiin itu accidental? kayaknya CSI pun belum secanggih itu untuk bisa buktiin motive nya itu accidental atau premeditated (read:suicide).
CSI mungkin ga bisa buktiin motif tp kalo elo perna nonton CSI elo akan tau bhw evidence is truth & motive does not matter.

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berarti Heath Ledger mengalami depresi sampai butuh obat-obatan (painkiller banyak di'pakai' orang depressed).
Statemen yg merupakan konklusi pribadi tanpa dasar yg jelas kecuali asumsi.

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....sama seperti kematian Lady Di pun secara "resmi" dinyatakan kecelakaan murni dan sudah ditutup kasusnya.
Kalo gw bilang Lady Di meninggalnya dibunuh sama pacarnya sebelon mobil mereka kecelakaan (tanpa dasar yg jelas - just like what ur doing) berarti gw asbun jg kayak lo.

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.... just because you quoted the People Magazine, Kupluk
Setidaknya gw gak asbun, Michael Clark(e) Duncan
Btw, kalo elo browse di cnn ttg Heath Ledger's death, elo akan nemuin cnn links the story to people.com's story yg berarti mereka back up story tsb.

Nih some more:

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_ledger

.... He played the Joker in the movie The Dark Knight, shortly before his death on January 22, 2008, from an accidental prescription drug overdose at age 28.
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After two weeks of intense media speculation about possible causes of his death, on 6 February 2008, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of New York released its conclusions, based on an initial autopsy of January 23, 2008, and a subsequent complete toxicological analysis. The report concludes, in part, "Mr. Heath Ledger died as the result of acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine." It also states definitively: "We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescription medications." The medications found in the toxicological analysis are commonly prescribed in the United States for insomnia, anxiety, depression, pain, and/or cold symptoms. The Medical Examiner's Office also announced that it would not be publicly disclosing the official estimated time of death. The official announcement of the cause of Ledger's death heightened concerns about the growing problems of prescription drug abuse or misuse and Combined Drug Intoxication (CDI).


Source: cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/07/28/fatal.drug.errors.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch

CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- Deaths from medication mistakes at home, such as actor Heath Ledger's accidental overdose, rose dramatically during the past two decades, an analysis of U.S. death certificates finds.
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@Kupluk_uneasy,

ini thread dari Apresiasi Kristen, asumsi pribadi, subyektif, OK OK aja menurut gue. Terserah lu mau bilang gue asbun, lu juga sering asbun, kok Namanya juga komentar tentang film.

Kenapa semua media harus bilang "accidental", bukan karena buktinya kuat, tapi karena bisa di-sue kalo "ngomongnya ga diatur".

.... jangan jadi taliban amatiran, pluk.

p.s.: gue fan-nya CSI, makanya gue bisa bilang mereka pun sulit buktikan motive. Dan eveidences hanya bisa buktikan sejauh batasan "with no reasonable doubts at the court of law".

p.p.s.: memang Lady Di "dibunuh", bukan sebelum kecelakaan, melainkan kecelakaan yang direkayasa (freak acident).
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Ampun deh .. cape gw ame lo.. this is the last one..

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... Namanya juga komentar tentang film.
Komen yg gw permasalahkan adalah komen lo yg spesifik ttg sang aktor, bukan aktingnya & bukan pelemnya.
Lupa ya ama komen sendiri? Nih gw kopas..

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...he really became the character (and ended up killed himself after the movies was completed)
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Kenapa semua media harus bilang "accidental", bukan karena buktinya kuat, tapi karena bisa di-sue kalo "ngomongnya ga diatur".
Baca yg bener plis, yg bilang accidental sapa (ntu liat di bawah).

After two weeks of intense media speculation about possible causes of his death, on 6 February 2008, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of New York released its conclusions, based on an initial autopsy of January 23, 2008, and a subsequent complete toxicological analysis. The report concludes, in part, "Mr. Heath Ledger died as the result of acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine." It also states definitively: "We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescription medications."

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@Kelana, shengsu: bro, kayaknya Heath Ledger bukan acting tuh di film itu, gue liat nya dia kesurupan, he really became the character (and ended up killed himself after the movies was completed). What a loss. Apapun namanya (menurut Kelana, istilahnya "film ide") metodenya top abis khas Nolan.... sangat sulit memvisualisasikan genre komik ke layar lebar tanpa menjadi cheesy. Sama seperti komik yang ekspresionis jauh lebih "gigit" daripada yang pake paintbrush effects.

gimana si ledger gak kesurupan dan jadi rada gila. konon sebelum syuting dia di kurung 2 bulan di sebuah tempat. mungkin penyebab dia OD karena pelampiasan setelah kerjaannya kelar
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hmmm...mesti nonton nihhh
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Siapakah the dark knight-nya?

Pertanyaan itu muncul dalam diskusi ini. Ada kebingungan. Saya lihat, munculnya pertanyaan itu, dan kebingungan itu, menjadikan film The Dark Knight...seksi. Sesuatu yang erotis, bagi pikiran. Film ini mengundang, menggoda. Ia menunjukan dirinya tetapi menutupi; membuka bagian-bagian tertentu hanya untuk membuat para penonton penasaran. Bukankah itu seksi?

Para penonton yang penasaran adalah pikiran-pikiran yang tergoda; diundang untuk berpartisipasi dalam proses 'making-sense' film tsb. Jadi, secara lebih menarik (baca: metaforis), ini seperti undangan untuk bercinta. Film The Dark Knight adalah film yang mengundang penontonnya untuk bercinta (Ini khas Christopher Nolan).

Penonton tidak dibiarkan sendiri. Film ini tidak membiarkan penonton pulang dengan kepuasan sendiri (yang perverse seperti habis mansturbasi). Film ini membawa ia yang tergoda ke dalam situasi kritis di mana nilai-nilai yang ia junjung selama ini (disadari atau tidak) ditantang. Sejauh apa si penonton tertantang tergantung pada sejauh apa ia tergoda dan ingin bercinta.

Dalam diskusi kali ini bukaan yang seksi itu ternyata adalah judul, The Dark Knight. Siapa the dark knight-nya? Mengapa dark? Mengapa knight? Mengapa dark knight?
Sungguh sangat menggoda….

Bruce Wayne/Batman sebagai Dark Knight.
Joker sebagai Dark Knight
Si narapidana yang membuang bom sebagai Dark Knight
Heath Ledger sebagai Dark Knight
Christopher Nolan sebagai Dark Knight
Film The Dark Knight sebagai Dark Knight
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keren nih pelem...
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Harvey Two face sebagai Dark Knight
Gordon sebagai Dark Knight
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biar mikirnya lebih 'menggairahkan', ada baiknya sambil nonton para 'dark knights' dari different world ini:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y8Ual27Tfg

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ah gak bisa buka youtube saya..
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ergh .. ini threadnya ko malah jadi membahas soal kematian HL segala makin jauh dari apa yang dimaksudkan TS. jadi gimana, mau aku pindah ke entertainment? lebih cocok di sana jadinya.

soal siapa the dark knightnya, bukannya udah dibilang di akhir film kalau batman itu the dark knight. he's more than just a hero. he's the protector. the guardian angel.
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aku malah mikirnya sih pengacara ntar yg jdi penjahat itu y?? musuh batman??
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joker menjadi karakter mengesankan karena dia muncul sebagai pribadi yang bebas norma.
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aku malah mikirnya sih pengacara ntar yg jdi penjahat itu y?? musuh batman??
harvey dent (two face) itu bukannya jaksa penuntut, si ksatria putih atau kandidat pahlawan yang tidak kuat mental hanya karena kekasihnya mati.
joker menang karena telah menciptakan penjahat baru sedangkan pihak kebaikan (karena mereka keroyokan melawan joker) menang hanya karena nurani manusia kembali berbicara meskipun itu dari sosok narapidana.

yang ogut seneng dari kisah-kisah para pahlawan adalah tokoh baik dan tokoh jahatnya sama-sama pribadi yang sakit secara kejiwaan.
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harvey dent (two face) itu bukannya jaksa penuntut, si ksatria putih atau kandidat pahlawan yang tidak kuat mental hanya karena kekasihnya mati.
Yup, perubahan karakternya terlalu dibuat "cengeng", yang bener aja gara-gara 1 perempuan "national security" dikorbankan, ceritanya jadi kurang asyik disini.
Lagian "Maggie Gyllenhaal" juga kurang keren untuk film semahal ini. Kalo emang cari cewe' STW ya mending Sharon Stone atau Julianne Moore atau Naomi Watts.
Nicole Kidman cewe' Batman yang paling keren.


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joker menang karena telah menciptakan penjahat baru sedangkan
Adegan si Joker pakai baju suster jalan kaki ke luar rumah sakit sambil bawa "remote", asli keren, Ledger bisa total acting-nya

Baru ini ada film Super Hero yang "kalah pamor" dengan penjahatnya, btw asyik juga
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