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Old 31st March 2008
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Klo saham hrs punya prinsip brani rugi .....
ogud , belom bisa maen disini ......

klo reksa dana katanya bagus tuh,.....
tapi ogud ga tau, ada yg punya pengalaman ???
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ya jawabannya ; tanah.
pernah kepikir, beli tanah daerah pinggiran botabek (kalo emang tinggal di jkt)
dan ada beberapa famili gue yg memang akhirnya jadi spesialis jual-beli tanah.
mis. ada teman punya teman, di daerah bogor, beli tanah 1500 m cuma seharga 150jt. beli pake cicil bank. gayung bersambut, ada orang cari untuk bikin private holiday camp, dan terjual, padahal masih kridit berjalan. dia provit about 20jt. itulah invest tanah. - setelah itu, baru cari janda
Man, kasih tau donk kalo ada tanah murah, seriously. Ada yang mau inves lumayan gede untuk bikin hotel, daerah sekitar Jakarta / Jawa (Lombok / Bali jg gpp sih).

Investasi janda? Balik modal kagak, tekor iya
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Kalo saham yg blue chips itu aman sih sebenernya.

Kalo saham yg gorengan itu yg bikin jantung copot. hehehe...

Tp biarpun bluechips tuh aman, at least kita kudu tau mengenai saham. Yg pasti sih saham blue chips ini bisa aja ditanam aja terus di pasar bursa itu, mau sampai 10 tahun juga gpp. Nah, nilai uang di sana ga akan turun deh. Karena kita nanem saham di perusahaan tbk. kan, so the money will work itself.

Kalo mau cepet dapet untungnya, yah harus mengikuti berita dan rajin2 cek harga saham. Intinya : sebenernya aman tapi ribet.

Kalo reksadana, aku ga jelas. tp keknya kalo reksadana, or obligasi gtu, 10 juta ga nampol deh.... Yg pasti nih, jangan di deposito! mending di celengin daripada di deposito.

Kalo ga, buat g aja deh, itung2 amal.. wakakakakkaa..... jokes deng
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Oh iya, g pernah denger tuh di Lombok. Jadi kalau tourguide cowok yg di sana yah, kdg2 mereka dapet tamu nenek2 dari Foreigner.

Kalo di taksir si nenek, diajak merit deh. Setiap si nenek ke Lombok, sang 'suami'harus standby di rumah nya nenek yg di Lombok.

Wakakakaka.... fensliq berminat?
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Oh iya, g pernah denger tuh di Lombok. Jadi kalau tourguide cowok yg di sana yah, kdg2 mereka dapet tamu nenek2 dari Foreigner.

Kalo di taksir si nenek, diajak merit deh. Setiap si nenek ke Lombok, sang 'suami'harus standby di rumah nya nenek yg di Lombok.

Wakakakaka.... fensliq berminat?
moh ..... momoh....... nenek2 lagi.....
musi di cek dulu harta, pewaris, bosen idup ga ?

eh, cin u punya tutorial belajar saham ga ?
pa les privat ma you aja deh ......
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privat ama g? mending g ajarin bahasa mandarin aja! Itu g bisa. Tp kayanya kamu kudu nyari janda bosen idup dulu nih baru bisa bayar. wakakakkaak...

G denger masalah saham itu dari hasil begaul aje ama tetangga belakang kantor nih... G ga ngerti masalah saham. Kamu coba aja tanya ama orang2 finance. Biasanya mereka ngerti tuh tentang saham2.

Pokoknya kalo mo ngikutin saham, baca deh tu koran, dengerin deh tuh berita. Karena politik ngaruh abizzzz.... Kan dah mao pemilu tuh, pasti bikin jantung copot kalo maen komoditi.

Maybe... Om Daniel lebih pinter nih buat masalah komoditi???

G juga heran sih, skr yg namanya maen saham sampe ada pamerannya di mall2... Berarti lagi in kali yah maen saham...
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privat ama g? mending g ajarin bahasa mandarin aja! Itu g bisa. Tp kayanya kamu kudu nyari janda bosen idup dulu nih baru bisa bayar. wakakakkaak...

G denger masalah saham itu dari hasil begaul aje ama tetangga belakang kantor nih... G ga ngerti masalah saham. Kamu coba aja tanya ama orang2 finance. Biasanya mereka ngerti tuh tentang saham2.

Pokoknya kalo mo ngikutin saham, baca deh tu koran, dengerin deh tuh berita. Karena politik ngaruh abizzzz.... Kan dah mao pemilu tuh, pasti bikin jantung copot kalo maen komoditi.

Maybe... Om Daniel lebih pinter nih buat masalah komoditi???

G juga heran sih, skr yg namanya maen saham sampe ada pamerannya di mall2... Berarti lagi in kali yah maen saham...
klo guru mandarin, lagi ngeles skarang
ma kamu gratis deh, sambil bawa seefood ........

tapi kemaren baca2 di okezone reksadana lumayan loh, investnya bisa dari 200000 doank.....
Tapi tetep harus dipelajari lagi.....
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Oh yaaa? 200000 aja ? wah murmer... nanti deh aku juga coba2 cari info..
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wah kepik biru pemain besar nih..
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Oh yaaa? 200000 aja ? wah murmer... nanti deh aku juga coba2 cari info..
sip.....
klo udah tau infonya bagi2 ya ......
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wadoh, skarang denger2 mo ada invlasi global lagi .........
ckckckckckck.....
makin bingung aja ogud pengen invest kemana ?
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Kalo mo invest sebaiknya tahu dulu:
1. berapa lama (sebelum dicair-in)
2. Risk profile (high risk-high return)
3. Berapa dananya.

Untuk dibawah 10 juta sich anjuran gw di Reksadana. Nanti disesuaikan sama point no.1 & no.2 untuk pemilihan jenisnya.

[disclaimer on: gw bukan marketing reksadana, cuman punya aja]
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Kalo mo invest sebaiknya tahu dulu:
1. berapa lama (sebelum dicair-in)
2. Risk profile (high risk-high return)
3. Berapa dananya.

Untuk dibawah 10 juta sich anjuran gw di Reksadana. Nanti disesuaikan sama point no.1 & no.2 untuk pemilihan jenisnya.

[disclaimer on: gw bukan marketing reksadana, cuman punya aja]
wee,....
ajarin donk....
biar pinteran dikit............
nah, skarang kan pasar saham lagi ajlok tuh gimana pengaruhnya ???
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baca thread nya Steph di sini wah jago banget nih.
Hebat banget dan sangat menguasai banget, sayang nih gua kecantol nih
US di ambang resesi. DJI udah di bawah 12.000. Wah IHSG IHSG, nasibmu kini.
jatuhnya dalam dan keras terbanting. Yang nyantol bareng2 gmana nih bung Steph baiknya??
kasih saran dikit semoga membantu, kalo modal kuat mendingan di average aja bro kalo modal agak kecil or gak mau ambil resiko mendingan di lock aja bro tp kalo posisi lock kan hrs byr ke house tmpt kt main
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menurut gua keep on buying sebisa mungkin
Yg bisa survive resesi dan yang bisa menuai hasilnya nanti cuma orang2 yg mampu beli waktu harga saham undervalued.
mau nambahin dikit kalo keep on buying lebih baik curr swiss aja soalnya trendnya lg ngebuy , soalnya wkt amerika resesi turunnya fantastis selama gw kerja di forex and index baru kali ini gw liat swiss running di nol point sekian semoga aja swiss ada koreksi nembus level satu point lagi

kemaren2 sih dah ada di satu point tp skr turun lg jd nol point sekian, tp keputusan di tangan anda semua, semoga membantu
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kalau gua sih sama beberapa teman dekat (teman dari kecil) bikin investment club, uang iuran bulanan kami itu lah yang dikumpulkan untuk investasi, sementara ini di saham dan reksadana,....

temen gua sendiri (yang anggota investment club ini juga) yang kerja di treasury sebuah bank, yang mengelola investasi saham,....
gua sendiri gak ahli saham-saham,. .tapi belajar banyak dari dia, dan jadi membuat gua aware dan sensitif dengan berita2 ekonomi dan bisnis,....

skarang kami fokusnya saham terkait sumber daya alam (pertambangan dll),...
tapi saham lagi berdarah-darah nih,.... tapi justru pengen masuk lagi,..cari yang udah mentok di bottom...
pengen masuk ke saham perusahaan properti kok gak yakin ya,... padahal agak lumayan booming....

terjun ke forex belum berminat karena gak terlalu menarik, huehehhee.
komoditi: belum juga, belum menjajaki, minim pengetahuan.

gua sendiri mengelola portfolio reksadana kami,...

Reksadana lumayan kemaren2, sebelum terjun bebas,.... waktu redempt terkahir, gain 60%,.... sekarang mau masuk lagi mumpung murah...


susah memelihara investment club,..... gak punya fund manajer yang dihired profesional untuk mengelola dana, jadinya kami2 yang mikir gemana muterin dana,....
susah, apalagi masing2 punya kesibukan sendiri2,....

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Belajar reksadana
Setelah belajar2 n melihat kira2 permainan utk memetakan reksadana sbb :

I Kriteria berinvestasi reksadana sbb :
- Return
- Risiko (biasanya risiko tergambar dari seberapa besar fluktuasi pergerakan NAB/unit suatu reksadana, bahasa statistiknya standar deviasi)
- NAB
- Umur reksadana

II Kriteria diatas saya golongkan satu per satu menjadi :
- Return (dari yang terendah sampai tertinggi) : LOW --> MED-LOW --> MED-HIGH --> HIGH
- Risiko : LOW --> MED-LOW --> MED-HIGH --> HIGH
- NAB : SMALL --> MED-SMALL --> MED-BIG --> BIG
- Umur : VERY YOUNG --> YOUNG --> OLD --> VERY OLD

III Berdasarkan Golongan sbb :
* LOW : return bulanan rata-rata suatu reksadana berada di kelompok peringkat terbawah (return < 2.08%)
* MED-LOW : return bulanan rata-rata suatu reksadana berada di kelompok peringkat tertinggi nomor 3 (2.08% <= return < 2.93%)
* MED-HIGH : return bulanan rata-rata suatu reksadana berada di kelompok peringkat tertinggi nomor 2 (2.93% <= return < 3.25%)
* HIGH : return bulanan rata-rata suatu reksadana berada di kelompok peringkat tertinggi (return >= 3.25%)

Jika qt ingin mendapatkan reksadana yg baik dalam hal ini contoh kasus (Reksadana Saham)
Saya akan menggolongkannya spt ini :
- Return --> tinggi
- Risiko --> rendah
- NAB --> besar
- Umur --> tua

berikut ada contoh tabelnya :


Berdasarkan pemetaan reksadana saham tersebut mungkin pilihan kita bisa jatuh pada reksadana Phinisi Dana Saham.
"Diambil dari forum tetangga"

Ogud juga masih belajar n blom tau apa2, klo ada cara investasi atopun cara2 belajar investasi lainnya temen2 boleh membagi kepada qt2 yg ga tau......
thanks ,....

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mungkin njelasinnya begini:
reksadana itu mengikuti hukum investasi: resiko berbanding lurus dengan profit.

jadi ada beberapa tipe reksadana tergantung tipe investor apa yang kamu miliki,...
kalau yang konservatif, gak mau ambil resiko besar, ya ambil jenis reksa dana yang resikonya kecil dengan profit gak begitu besar,... begitupula sebaliknya, kalau yang punya nyali sedikit, bisa ambil jenis reksa dana yang resikonya lebih besar, namun menjanjikan untung besar,..

dana reksa dana itu diputar oleh pengelola dananya dengan berbagai instrumen investasi, seperti saham, obligasi, pasar uang, dll.
Jadi jenis2 reksa dana yang menjadi pilihan kamu itu dengan tingkat resiko dari tinggi ke rendah itu dibikin berdasarkan proporsi dana yang kamu tanamkan nanti akan diinvestasikan ke mana,..

kalau reksa dana yang paling tinggi resikonya biasanya reksadana saham, artinya pororsi sangat besar dari dana yang kamu tanamkan itu dipaki buat main saham,......
ada reksadana yang lebih kecil resikonya dari reksa danasaham, yaitu reksadana saham andalan misalnya,... yang proporsi investasinya ke saham bluechip saja.

kalau yang pendapatan tetap biasanya dibuat untuk main di obligasi, .. karena pengenyang lebih aman, safe, namun pendapatan jangan harap banyak2,...

ada juga reksa dana yang 50-50% proporsi investasinya,.. biasanya namana reksadanacampuran...

ada lagi reksadana yang jenisnya reksadana untuk main di pasar uang,...

mendingan tanya langsung ke agennya,jenis2 reksa dana apa sajayang ditawrkan perusahaan reksadana tersebut,.... dan perkiraan gainnya berapa,.. dan proporsi investasinya gemanah...

kalau milih reksadana usahakan milih perusahaan pengelola asetnya itu yanglumayan kuat didukung oleh institusi keuangan/bank di belakangnya,... cermati itu.
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Ok bro......
sip saya lagi mempelajarinya juga.....
mohon bimbingannya yaks......
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