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Dalammm...
seram amat deh baca nih thread
ikutin kata Paulus mengenai hidup and mati:
Bagiku hidup adalah Kristus and mati adalah keuntungannn
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Dalammm...
seram amat deh baca nih thread
ikutin kata Paulus mengenai hidup and mati:
Bagiku hidup adalah Kristus and mati adalah keuntungannn
hi..hihihi...
apanya yg dalammm.. ?
apa kira2 keuntungan yg dimaksud....? kalau menurut neng ifera?
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ngobrolnya bukan melalui pikiran yg bersangkutan...loh!
isi obrolannya bisa didengarkan orang lain...nah jelas...?
ouw... jadi maksutnya bro tooding, ngobrol2 itu harus bersuara?
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Jadi jadi pengikut Kristus masih nanya mo kemana setelah mati..oot..
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Sudah jadi pengikut Kristus masih nanya mo kemana setelah mati....kasian....
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kalo kita mati ke ke humz bapa dunk ,...
masa mau keneraka show off kaya Yesus
bisa" kita shock hahaha,....
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Kemaren ada artikel lumayan bagus di Time, lupa gue masukin. Untungnya yahoo masukin lagi:

http://news.yahoo.com/story//time/20080923/hl_time/whathappenswhenwedie

Yang bikin awalnya gue tertarik sih di paragraph keduanya:

When your heart stops beating, there is no blood getting to your brain. And so what happens is that within about 10 sec., brain activity ceases - as you would imagine. Yet paradoxically, 10% or 20% of people who are then brought back to life from that period, which may be a few minutes or over an hour, will report having consciousness. So the key thing here is, Are these real, or is it some sort of illusion? So the only way to tell is to have pictures only visible from the ceiling and nowhere else, because they claim they can see everything from the ceiling. So if we then get a series of 200 or 300 people who all were clinically dead, and yet they're able to come back and tell us what we were doing and were able see those pictures, that confirms consciousness really was continuing even though the brain wasn't functioning.
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ooo gitu toh plain bread....
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ooo gitu toh plain bread....
Apanya gitu?

Jangan oneliner trus2an donk, yeremia. Kalo cuma mau ngejar postingan yah sayang banget.

Btw, semoga ada yang baca artikel itu dan bisa diskusi di sini.
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weqs,kalo soal ntu yakin gak bener plainbread?

kan ibaratnya kalo ga ada suplai darah ke otak dai jantung (jantung uda berenti) kan otak juga ga fungsi donk?

trus yang orang-orang bilang mereka liat taman yang indah pas mati trus balik lagi...nah itu apa yakin bener?

bahayanya kalo itu image dari si IBLIS yang ingin menyesatkan kita orang kristen....gmn tuH?
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weqs,kalo soal ntu yakin gak bener plainbread?

kan ibaratnya kalo ga ada suplai darah ke otak dai jantung (jantung uda berenti) kan otak juga ga fungsi donk?

trus yang orang-orang bilang mereka liat taman yang indah pas mati trus balik lagi...nah itu apa yakin bener?

bahayanya kalo itu image dari si IBLIS yang ingin menyesatkan kita orang kristen....gmn tuH?
Artikel itu coba ngebahas apakah mind (pikiran) dan brain (otak) itu sama, cara ngujinya adalah dengan ngeliat consciousness (kesadaran). Orang2 yang ngalamin NED diuji dengan cara apakah mereka bisa ngeliat aktivitas di sekitar badan mereka yang udah mati. Jadi kalo mereka bisa bilang bahwa dokter A lagi ini, nurse B lagi itu, berarti orang2 tersebut kesadarannya masih ada walaupun badan / otaknya udah mati or gak ada supply darah lagi.

So gak ada hubungannya sama taman indah atau Iblis, cuz it's purely research. Namanya AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation), ngelibatin 25 rumah sakit seluruh eropa, amrik dan canada dan bakal mantau 1500 orang yang selamat dari serangan jantung (mostly karena cardiac arrest / serangan jantung pulse jantungnya udah sempet flat atau berhenti beberapa saat).
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@ kk Pb :
ada artikel supelmen lainnya gak ? dari semalem gw baca gak ngerti-ngerti ne artikelnya...
Gw jadi bingung yang mana brain, mind, ama consciusness... hwehe

Kira-kira dimana ya gw bisa dapetin definisi dari sudut pandang kedokteran yang jelas tenteng itu (terutama consciusness ama mind, karena gw cukup yakin brain cuman organ, CMIIW)?
Gw cuman tao wikipedia, n disana gak ada...
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ada artikel supelmen lainnya gak ? dari semalem gw baca gak ngerti-ngerti ne artikelnya...
Gw jadi bingung yang mana brain, mind, ama consciusness... hwehe
Yah bukan cuma elu yang bingung, itu dokter2 bikin research juga karena mau mastiin. Researchnya dibuat selama 3 tahun. So itu artikel emang gak ngejawab apa2, tapi cuma informative aja kasih tau kalo ada research kaya gitu.

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Kira-kira dimana ya gw bisa dapetin definisi dari sudut pandang kedokteran yang jelas tenteng itu (terutama consciusness ama mind, karena gw cukup yakin brain cuman organ, CMIIW)?
Gw cuman tao wikipedia, n disana gak ada...
Gue bukan dokter jadi gue gak gitu tau. Wiki cukup lumayan deh kalo cuma untuk data informal. Kalo gue boleh kasih saran, elu baca buku "Dunia Sophie (Sophie's world)" deh. Itu buku (semi-novel) gue liat malah lebih bisa kasih penjabaran lebih masuk akal soal kesadaran daripada buku2 lain. Lebih ke filosofi memang, tapi bakal nambah wawasan kok.
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Yah bukan cuma elu yang bingung, itu dokter2 bikin research juga karena mau mastiin. Researchnya dibuat selama 3 tahun. So itu artikel emang gak ngejawab apa2, tapi cuma informative aja kasih tau kalo ada research kaya gitu.
Owh.. cuman informasi aja toh.. hwehe
Gw kira risetnya uda ada progress mpe gimana gitu.. 50% maybe ?

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Gue bukan dokter jadi gue gak gitu tau. Wiki cukup lumayan deh kalo cuma untuk data informal. Kalo gue boleh kasih saran, elu baca buku "Dunia Sophie (Sophie's world)" deh. Itu buku (semi-novel) gue liat malah lebih bisa kasih penjabaran lebih masuk akal soal kesadaran daripada buku2 lain. Lebih ke filosofi memang, tapi bakal nambah wawasan kok.
Ntar gw cari de bukunya, kalo da selese baca di review..
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