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20th January 2007
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soal politik Amrik
spin off dari thread seputar Israel dan Palestina, di sini mereka yang suka berdiskusi atau sekedar posting soal Amrik, terutama dunia politik mereka, bisa saling bertukar pikiran satu terhadap yang lain ...
omong-omong ... baru baca di BBC kalau Hillary Clinton udah resmi bakal bersaing untuk kursi kepresidenan tahun 2008 nanti. satu langkah yang sudah dapat diduga sebelumnya?
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21st January 2007
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Hussein Obama atau Hillary Clinton ?
Somehow even though Amrik itu negara maju I don't know apa mereka siap dengan presiden dari minoritas. Wanita mungkin, African American, maybe only in blue states.
Kalo antara Democrats sendiri, Hillary Clinton itu terlalu polarizing, kalo Hussein lebih di tengah, lebih attractive buat voters from all kinds of group.
Sad to say tapi kalo Obama itu kulitnya pigmentnya lebih sedikit, mayoritas Amrik bakalan ngedukung dia 
Although gua juga ga tau si Obama kerjanya bakalan kayak gimana .. a little bit unproven.
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21st January 2007
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Originally Posted by El Shaddai
Hussein Obama atau Hillary Clinton ?
Somehow even though Amrik itu negara maju I don't know apa mereka siap dengan presiden dari minoritas. Wanita mungkin, African American, maybe only in blue states.
Kalo antara Democrats sendiri, Hillary Clinton itu terlalu polarizing, kalo Hussein lebih di tengah, lebih attractive buat voters from all kinds of group.
Sad to say tapi kalo Obama itu kulitnya pigmentnya lebih sedikit, mayoritas Amrik bakalan ngedukung dia 
Although gua juga ga tau si Obama kerjanya bakalan kayak gimana .. a little bit unproven.
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si Hussein Osama yah  hehehhe ... kapan hari benar-benar jadi obyeknya Daily Show nih orang ck ck ck ... aku curiganya, sama seperti kepik, Amrik masih belum benar-benar siap dipimpin oleh mereka yang datang dari kaum minoritas, apalagi yang memiliki agama yang berbeda dari kebanyakan orang Amrik ...
omong-omong, Cina mulai menunjukkan kekuatan militernya nih. barusan nonton berita di CNN kalau Cina berhasil melakukan percobaan misil anti satelit .. ck ck ck .. bakal terjadi perang dingin kedua kah ini?
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21st January 2007
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Namanya ingetin tiga orang yg pengen dilupain sama Amrik:
Saddam Hussein
Osama bin Laden
Hosni Mo barak (because he's friends with the Bushes, anything reminding anyone that they vote two time for this guy is a bitter pill)
btw tidbits about Obama:
dia itu mixed race, orang Kenya dan kulit putih, pernah tinggal di Jakarta dari umur 6-10 tahun, mamanya married dengan orang Indonesia, punya anak satu, yg kemudian married dengan Chinese Canadian.
Jadi in that one family you got a white american, african, chinese canadian, indonesian, and mixes  keren yah
N dia bukan dari agama yang berbeda vion, dia orang Kristen (Gerejanya di UCC (gabungan Evangelical and Reformed). N malahan dia malah encourage supaya orang Democrats reach out more ke Christians.
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I was drawn to the power of the African American religious tradition to spur social change. [...] In the history of these struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world. [...] It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth
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21st January 2007
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Wah, kalo perang dingin babak II, bakalan muncul film2 Hollywood tentang agen2 rahasia yang misinya ke Cina dong..
*OOT*
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21st January 2007
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Originally Posted by kepik
N dia bukan dari agama yang berbeda vion, dia orang Kristen (Gerejanya di UCC (gabungan Evangelical and Reformed). N malahan dia malah encourage supaya orang Democrats reach out more ke Christians.
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oo bukan yah? dooh jadi tercampur dengan senator muslim pertama US deh ... ada yang barusan dilantik toh? sapa yah namanya .. lupa ..
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22nd January 2007
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Kayaknya bakalan ada Perang Dunia III yah? Duh ga asik nih, media punya peranan besar dalam menyuarakan perdamaian untuk dunia. Ujung-ujungnya para rockstar harus lebih sering-sering menyerukan PEACE.
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22nd January 2007
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oo bukan yah? dooh jadi tercampur dengan senator muslim pertama US deh ... ada yang barusan dilantik toh? sapa yah namanya .. lupa ..
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Keith Ellison, dari Minnesota State. That's interesting dia menang vote over Allan Fine, seorang yahudi amerika. Kalo trendnya tetap begini sampe tahun depan, which minority leads (Ellison is a muslim, Pelosi is a woman) bukan gak mungkin Obama or Clinton jadi presiden. Tapi seperti yang dibilang Kepik, gue personally juga mikir Amerika belum siap. Mungkin jauh lebih gampang untuk minority jadi senators or congress members, but not to be a US president.
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22nd January 2007
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omong-omong soal siap tidaknya, poll CNN kemarin lumayan menunjukkan kalau para responden siap menerima kaum minoritas untuk memimpin US. kelihatannya sih dampak dari citra buruk Bush selama beberapa tahun belakangan ini.
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23rd January 2007
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Jangan lupa yang baca CNN itu semua dari blue states (Democrats, liberals)  jelas mereka siap kalo next presidentnya bakalan Barak Obama atau Hillary Clinton.
Kalo polling yang sama itu ada di FOX Network, yg jadi stationnya red states (Republicans, neo-cons), jawabannya mungkin beda.
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23rd January 2007
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kalau Newsweek 'n Washington Post?
omong-omong, barusan tadi ditayangkan SDnya si Obama di Jakarta ... sampai dibuat liputannya segala. btw, penasaran apa yang akan disampaikan Bush di pidato kenegaraannya malam ini nih .. hmmm ...
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23rd January 2007
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I dont think Hillary bisa jadi President, Kalo Barrack Obama masih bisa karena dia pribadi yg masih muda,smart,karismatik, african american,harvard graduate,dan dia punya hubungan yg baik dgn Republican party coz dia pernah kerja in both party (dem and rep) di Illinois utk masalah pekerjaan,tax,etc..and he is a man..man seems to have more chance than a woman (Hillary). Obama jemaat gereja United Methodist
Yah...yang republican sibuk ngurusin perang..yang democrat sibuk ngurusin gay marriage..pusingggg deh..
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N malahan dia malah encourage supaya orang Democrats reach out more ke Christians.
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Terang aja dia encourage demokrat utk reach out ke Christian its all for more vote dan dia tahu demokrat tuh byk utk kota2 besar krn orang2nya mungkin lebih open minded tapi utk daerah2 kecil di US yg notabene sangat banyak org Kristen yg masih conservative otomatis mrk mau reach out kesitu karena voters republican tuh banyak dari orang2 Kristen yg gak setuju dgn poilicy2 demokrat,terlalu banyak prinsip2 kekristenan yg di"boikot" oleh demokrat atas nama "HAM",dimulai dari pelarangan doa di tempat umum,separation church and state,abortion,gay marriage,etc. Jadi banyak orang amerika sendiri sebenarnya males nyeblos demo apa repu coz dua2nya punya agenda yg parah,yg satu perang yg satu hal2 spt diatas..susah.. 
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omong-omong soal siap tidaknya, poll CNN kemarin lumayan menunjukkan kalau para responden siap menerima kaum minoritas untuk memimpin US. kelihatannya sih dampak dari citra buruk Bush selama beberapa tahun belakangan ini.
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Thats wht they said about Bush juga and then toh akhirnya Bush terpilih juga..lol..
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btw ... can someone pls tell me, why New Hampshire is such an important state for the presidential election?
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Thats wht they said about Bush juga and then toh akhirnya Bush terpilih juga..lol..
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lol ...  ... pingin melihat kiprahnya Obama deh .. omong-omong, sepanjang sejarahnya Amrik, belum pernah ada presiden wanita, benar kan?
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23rd January 2007
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[quote=PlainBread]Keith Ellison, dari Minnesota State. That's interesting dia menang vote over Allan Fine, seorang yahudi amerika.[quote]
Makanya orang2 Yahudi di amrik marah2 krn yg naik Muslim..lol..dia yg pertama minta dilantik gak mau pake alkitab tapi pake Quran,nah giliran yg kristen marah2 karena mrk menganggap suatu hal yg adalah standard di negara mrk mulai di"langgar",for them Alkitab is the ONLY resourse of truth..I agree hahahaha..sounds selfish sih,but once ada dr golongan lain yg masuk,udah pasti akan ada tuntutan2 dari golongan tersebut,so amerika..siap2 deh..lol..
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btw ... can someone pls tell me, why New Hampshire is such an important state for the presidential election?
lol ...  ... pingin melihat kiprahnya Obama deh .. omong-omong, sepanjang sejarahnya Amrik, belum pernah ada presiden wanita, benar kan?
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Belum ada dan I dont think akan ada deh ...sorry ladies..so far sih gue tetep merasa laki2 lebih capable lho,kalo wanita walaupun jadi presiden tetep aja dirumah jadi istri lagi jadi kebijakan suami yg "didengar",dejavu all over again kayak mbak mega deh 
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Makanya orang2 Yahudi di amrik marah2 krn yg naik Muslim..lol..dia yg pertama minta dilantik gak mau pake alkitab tapi pake Quran,nah giliran yg kristen marah2 karena mrk menganggap suatu hal yg adalah standard di negara mrk mulai di"langgar",for them Alkitab is the ONLY resourse of truth..I agree hahahaha..sounds selfish sih,but once ada dr golongan lain yg masuk,udah pasti akan ada tuntutan2 dari golongan tersebut,so amerika..siap2 deh..lol..
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bukannya ini yang memang sedang terjadi di sana? 'n permintaan-permintaan tersebut akan terjadi dalam beberapa tahun ke depan. hmmm ... ga bisa ada dua kapten dalam satu kapal lah ... tapi, penasaran aja gimana lobinya Yahudi menghadapi hal ini ...
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@ vion, soal NH tuh jadi an important state coz di amerika biasanya udah bisa dibaca apa political view setiap state,misalnya Illinois pasti demokrat,texas mayoritas republic,etc..tapi NH tuh balance antara rep dan demo makanya mereka berebutan,plus NH handed Bush his ONLY victory di daerah northeast ngalahin Al Gore..THAT is why NH is such an important state 
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